Class 81 – 85 in Scotland

Scotland – Class 81 – 85 “Roarers”

Thanks to Jim Burton and Alistair Bates for much of the gen

Main line electrification to Scotland didnt come until May 74 with 87005 working 1S45 0745 Liverpool/Manchester – Glas/Edin from Preston to Central on May 6th 1974. This late date means that the early withdrawn “roarers” never made it to Scotland and with some 84’s being withdrawn by 1977 its possible these also never worked a passenger train North of the border. 

Class 81

81001  1M12 2225 Perth – Euston (ex Mossend) 120682

81001 caught fire at Lamington, South of Carstairs with 1S01 1115 Euston – Stirling Motorail 260883, last working.

81002      1Z27 0840 Edinburgh – Rhyl Mystex (Carstairs – Warr BQ) 050480

81003     1S39 0740 Poole – Glasgow/Edinburgh 151086

81004     1V58 2220 FO Glasgow/2210 FO Edinburgh – Paignton 200784

81005     1S07 2155 (8/8) Euston – Inverness/Ft Will. (to Moss. Yd) 090882

81006.   1S05 2050 (11/4) Euston – Inverness/FtWill. (to Moss.Yd.) 120482

81007  1V62 2345 (23/2) Glasgow/Edinburgh – Bristol 240286

81008   1020 Glasgow – Plymouth Relief   010486 

Thanks to Glenn Jones for this view of 81009 arriving at Glasgow Central with an Inter Regional portion from the South on November 18th 1983

81009   1S67 0950 Birmingham NS – Edinburgh 140779

81010  1V60 (21/6) 2320 Glasgow/Edinburgh – Paignton  220685

81011  1V58 2220 FO Glasgow /2210 FO Edinburgh – Paignton  130784

81012   1M94  0913 SO Edinburgh – Blackpool (Carstairs – Preston) 290881

81012  1M15 2115 (23/3) Inverness-Euston   240390

probably the last class 81 hauled passenger train in Scotland

81013 1V73  0730 Aberdeen-Penzance (Carstairs – New St) 120786

81014  1S58 1430 SO Blackpool  – Edinburgh (Preston – Carstairs) 140882

81015  1S58 1430 SO Blackpool – Edinburgh (Preston – Carstairs)  250781

81016  1M12 2225 Perth – Euston 280782

81017  1S85 0707 Plymouth-Glasgow/Edinburgh 150888

81018 1S23 2124 (1706) Bristol –Glasgow/Edinburgh 180683

81018 1M20 1110 Glasgow-Euston  040284

81019  1Z38 0915 Edinburgh – Birmingham New St. (running independently of Glasgow portion ) ex-Carstairs 140779

81020   1Z42 1258 Crewe – Glasgow Relief 220881

81021   1M94 0915 SO Edinburgh – Blackpool (Carstairs – Preston) 090680                                            

81022 reverses the “emcars” of 1S61 0747 Cardiff – Glasgow out of Central to the bridge sidings at a wintry Glasgow on February 21st 1986

81022  1S61     0747 Cardiff-Glasgow 210286

Motherwell and Shields Road based locos incl class 81 received fish logos which survived from 1984 until final withdrawl  bringing some River Clyde mythology right down to the buffer stops at Euston.

The Fish That Never Swam


The Glasgow city coat of arms always shows the fish with a ring held in its mouth. This is because a King of Strathclyde had given his wife a ring as a present. But the Queen gave it to a knight who promptly lost it. Some versions of the story say that the King took the ring while the knight was asleep and threw it in the river. The King then demanded to see the ring – threatening death to the Queen if she could not do so. The knight confessed to St Mungo who sent a monk to catch a fish in the river Clyde. When this was brought back  St Mungo cut open the fish and found the ring. When the Bishop of Glasgow was designing his own seal around 1271, he used the illustration of a salmon with a ring in its mouth and this has come down to us in today’s coat of arms.

Class 82

82001  1S58 1430 FO Blackpool – Edinburgh (Preston – Carstairs) 150881

82002 Gourock – Euston rtn Merrymaker (ex Gourock, also shunt released at Glas C) 120574                                                               

82003 1M94 0915 SO Edinburgh – Blackpool (Carstairs – Preston)  070680

82004  1M40 1640 Glasgow/Edinburgh – Manchester/Liverpool  230878

82005  1Z15 1023 Glasgow/1015 Edinburgh – Preston Relief 250781                                                                      

82006 1M26 1320 Glasgow/Edinburgh  – Mancester/Liverpool 140680

82007  1S25 2235 (18/1) Euston – Inverness 190177

82008 1S84 1350 Birmingham NS – Glasgow 140881

Class 83

83001 1S49 0727 Nottingham – Glasgow 060882

83002  1Z37 0855 Edinburgh – Chester Mystex (Carstairs – Warrington BQ) 080576

83003 1M39 test train ex Glasgow C 260374

83004 1M10 2150 (26/8) Glasgow – Euston (drag into Crewe by 47448) 270878

83005 1S45 0753 Manchester/Liverpool – Glasgow/Edinburgh (ex Preston) 260282

83006 1M94 0915 SO Edinburgh – Blackpool (Carstairs – Preston) 220881

83007 1350 Birmingham – Glasgow relief 270882

83008 1S81 2050 Carlisle-Perth – 311080

83009 1V56 2340 Edinburgh/Glasgow – Bristol 291080

83010  1M53 0745 Aberdeen – Euston (via Birmingham) 190682

83011 1S05 2050 (14/7) Euston – Inverness 150780

83012  1M28 1035 Glasgow/1015 Edinburgh – Manchester/Lpl 100181

83013 1S18 2215 (3/7) Euston – Glasgow 040781

83014 1M12 2200 Perth – Euston  200680

83015 1S68 0940 SO Leicester-Glasgow (ex Carlisle) 260180

Class 84

84001  “Three Lochs Railtour” (Preston – Mossend) 170678

84002  New Mills – Edinburgh Adex (Wigan NW-Carstairs) 260579

84003 “Ayrshire n Galloway Railtour” Glasgow – Crewe 300978

84004-84007 —–

84008 1S19 2120 (12/6) Bristol – Glasgow/Edin 130679

84009 assist 1S29 2300(3/12) Euston – Glasgow (Murhat – Beattock) severe weather 041276

84010 1S81 2045 Carlisle – Perth 190680

Class 85

85001      1Z97 1410 Glasgow – Euston Relief  050485

85002      1Z10 1103 Birmingham NS – Inverness Relief  (to Mossend) 301283

85003      1M21 0830 SO Glasgow – Blackpool 140882

85004      1M94.0846 SO Edinburgh – Blackpool (Carstairs – Preston) 270883                 

85005      1Z88 1025 Glasgow – Blackpool Relief 170481

85006 is photted by Glenn Jones with the Emcars of the 0732 Stranraer – Glasgow at Glasgow Central on March 10th 1984

85006 1M34 1210 Glasgow – Euston 060887

85007      1S45 0745 ManVic/Liverpool – Glasgow/Edinburgh 010486

85008      1Z15 0840 Edinburgh – Chester Mystex (Carstairs – Warrington BQ) 270382

85009      1M47 1715 Glasgow – Birmingham NS  05/04/86

85009 looking good prior to leaving Glasgow Central with the 0925 Birmingham service on March 28th 1986

85010      1O25  0920 Glasgow/0750 Dundee – Poole  170784

85011      1V90  1045 SO Glasgow/1034 SO Edinburgh – Paignton  110683

85012       1V58  2215 (21/6) Glasgow/Edinburgh – Paignton 220685

85013       1S85 0717 Harwich PQ – Glasgow/Edinburgh (ex Preston) 030884

85014      1M34 1310 Glasgow-Euston  250886

85015       1S62 1103 TThSO Birmingham  NS – Aberdeen (to Mossend ) 060778

85016       1M47 1720 Glasgow – Birmingham NS 240686

85017       1S57 0945 Euston – Glasgow (vice failure S of Preston) 090486

85018       1S19 2124 (20/2) Bristol – Glasgow/Edinburgh 210286

85019       1Z46 1206 Bristol – Glasgow Relief  070486

85020       1V56 2355 Glasgow/Edinburgh – Bristol TM 200680

85021       1020 Glasgow – Plymouth Relief  270386

85022       1S39 0734 Poole – Glasgow 280386

85023       1M15 2030(16/10) Inverness – Euston 171087

85024       1S39 1205 Birmingham NS – Glasgow/Edinburgh  310380

85025        1S68 1020 Nott-Cen (ex Carlisle) 050881

85026        1S61 0650 Padd – Glasgow/Edin 020384

85027        1M94 0915 SO Edinburgh -Blackpool (Carstairs – Preston) 140680

85028        1S46 0930 Liverpool/Manchester – Glasgow/ Edinburgh 240784

85028        1M16 1930 (25/3) Inverness-Euston  260386

85029        1S67 1345 Liverpool/Mancester – Edinburgh/Glasgow

85030        1S58 1430 SO Blackpool – Edinburgh (Preston – Carstairs) 310782

85031        1S23 2140(16/8) Bristol – Glasgow/Edinburgh  170885

85032        1Z84 1055 Birmingham –  Perth Relief (to Mossend, 40150 fwd) 160784

85033        1S81 2050 Carlisle – Perth 030383

85034        1Z14 0920 Edinburgh – Morecambe Mystex (Carstairs – Lancaster) 110982

85034 in fading light with Emcars for Polmadie CS on June 24th 1990

85035 (as 85109) 1S52 0559 Padd – Glasgow (ex Carlisle) 900xx failed 050791

probably the last “roarer” hauled passenger train in Scotland…..

85036 1M15 2030 (21/2) Inverness-Euston  220286

85037  1345 Glasgow – Euston Relief  240890

By August 1990 roarers were becoming uncommon at Glasgow Central, here 85037 awaits departure time with the 1345 Relief to Euston on August 24th 1990

85038   1S68 1020 Nottingham – Glasgow  130881

85039   1Z36 1403 Birmingham NS – Glasgow Relief 280680

85040  1S19 2125 (5/9) Bristol – Glasgow/Edin 060986

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